Southern California natives and brothers Matt and Nick Jackson have had quite a year. It’s only August, and already The Young Bucks have made their debuts in Ring of Honor, CHIKARA, and Dragon Gate USA, the latter of which will be their first match on PPV in North America. Since mid-2008, the buzz surrounding the Young Bucks has grown steadily, originating with their hometown crowds in Southern California and spurred on by their performances in Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. They have been PWG Tag Team Champions for nearly a year, picking up wins against teams like the Motor City Machine Guns and successfully defending the belts in Japan. Nick and Matt are considered one of the premier tag teams in the world today, and their popularity has recently exploded on the East Coast, where fans are just now being exposed to their high-flying style. Clad in tiger-print tassled tights, they are a callback to the glory days of tag team wrestling like The Rockers, and are reminding fans around the world how exciting and unique tag team wrestling can be.
The Young Bucks were kind enough to take time out of their busy schedule for an interview with us here at Ring Psych.
Ring Psychology: What was the moment or event that made the two of you decide that wrestling was what you wanted to dedicate yourselves to?
Matt: We put a ring in our backyard. I was 16 years old, Nick was 12 years and Malachi was 10 years old! We taught ourselves how to do flips and impersonated what we saw on television. We always loved wrestling, but doing it yourself was so much more fun. We fell in love at first bump.
RP: 2009 has been something of a breakout year for the two of you so far: You’ve debuted in ROH, CHIKARA, Dragon Gate USA, had an extremely well-received tour of Japan with Dragon Gate, and will make your PPV debut. What has it been like to have so many big events in such a short time span?
Nick: It’s surreal. Everything has happened so fast. Matt and I are just blessed for all of the great opportunities that have come to us. We’ve been in big match situations and have been fortunate enough to hit home runs.
RP: Have there been big matches where you have really pushed yourselves to the limit? Do you ever feel like certain matches mean more than others?
Matt: We treat all matches the same. We always want to steal the show no matter where we are wrestling. Big show, small show, huge show. It’s our goal for the fans to say that they had the most fun watching the Young Bucks. Sometimes we REALLY have to turn it up big time. An example of this was at the DGUSA debut show. We knew that it was a big show and we had to do our best… actually better than our best.. In the end, we were very happy with the match.
RP: The buzz surrounding you on the internet is growing all the time, with many considering you among the best tag teams in the world at the moment. Do you ever feel pressure on you with such high expectations?
Matt: Oh, sure. You get a reputation for something and people begin to watch you with higher expectations. Even the wrestlers expect a certain quality from you. In the end, you just want to do your best and hope that it lives up to the hype. Nick and I always feel the pressure and are stressed out before all of our matches. In the end, it’s always worth it though.
RP: PWG, CHIKARA, ROH and Dragon Gate are all very different companies, with very different atmospheres, to say nothing of the other independent promotions that you wrestle for. Is there any difference in your preparation when getting ready to work for a new or different company?
Nick: We always want to give a good first time impression. That is very important to us. Matt and I always get prepared by talking over ideas on how we want to blow the fans away. If they like you right from the get-go, they’ll demand to see more of you.
RP: Are there any significant changes you make in your style depending on what crowd you’re wrestling for?
Matt: For the last five years, Nick and I have been destroying our bodies at even the smallest of indy shows. We’ve finally learned to take it a little easier at those types of shows after years of advice from other, smarter wrestlers. We’ll roll around instead of take bumps and use more ring psychology instead of spots. When we wrestle for the smarter fans (PWG, ROH, DGUSA) we try not to hold anything back. We do more highspots and take bigger bumps at those types of shows. Needless to say, Nick and I enjoy these shows the most.
RP: What’s your favorite type of atmosphere in which to wrestle?
Nick: Matt just answered that pretty well. We love the super hyped up, loud, intense crowds. We feed off of that type of energy. Believe it or not but, when a crowd is hot, it really helps us perform better. OH. And we really like respectful crowds. Los Angeles has been lacking that for the last few months and is fastly becoming our least favorite place to work.
RP: Who are some of your favorite opponents?
Matt: The Cutler Brothers by far are at the top. They are our real life best friends so it’s always a ton of fun working with them. We also really love working the Dragon Gate guys. Doi, Yoshino, Cima, Susumu, Saito are amongst our favorite from Japan. We also had killer chemistry with the Motor City Machine Guns. Those guys are insanely talented. We’ve learned a lot from them.
RP: Who are some wrestlers that you would love to work with or against?
Nick: We really want to work the American Wolves and the Briscoes still. We think that we could kill it with those guys. We’d also love to work Paul London and Brian Kendrick one day. We have such similar styles, I think it’d make for a wonderful match.
RP: What was it like to wrestle for WWE?
Matt: Unreal. It’s always been a dream of ours to work with the WWE. I remember standing out in the ring in San Diego on Smackdown looking at the WWE logo near the Titan Tron and it feeling like I was in a dream. I also had a blast taking a chokeslam from the Big Show through a table in Las Vegas for Smackdown… But, my very favorite moment with WWE was when Nick and I dressed up as Shawn Michaels and Triple H and did the Dirt Sheet segment. During rehearsal we got the entire locker room to bust up, including the boss. Nicks “broken back” Shawn Michaels walk is something he’s been doing for years to make me and Mal laugh.. now he’s doing it on live television for ECW. HAHA!
RP: I’ve read about your desire to wrestle for TNA as your personal goal. What’s the allure of TNA for the two of you?
Nick: Great tag team division that we think we could add to. And, we’d be making enough money to live comfortably on a light schedule. I’m not sure our style would mesh well with the WWE. They’d probably eventually split us up, and we have NO desire to work singles. None whatsoever.
RP: Recently you’ve received enormous positive ovations on the East Coast. At the same time, your hometown crowds at PWG seem to be reacting less favorably towards you. How does it feel to be eliciting two such opposing reactions in different parts of the country?
Matt: It’s just strange. I told Nick that we were the most over we’ve ever been in Philly. A plane ride and week later, we were the most hated. It was kind of disappointing to say the least. Here we are. Two SoCal boys, finally getting to travel the world, doing what we love. It was like, we were so anxious to get home to be with the people that helped start this whole thing. The people who were there from the beginning. We were looking forward to sharing our excitement and thrill to be home with the fans that helped us get where we currently are. Instead, we were treated awful. I’ve never been so disgusted in my life. I won’t get to into it, but Nick and I both agreed that the best thing that could have happened to us was leaving the nest. I guess we wore out our welcome?
RP: What was it like traveling to and wrestling in Japan for the first time?
Nick: Absolutely incredible. It felt incredible debuting at the Korakuen Hall in Tokyo, Japan. Being in the ring with the hot lights on you, watching streamers getting tossed from the crowd and looking out at the Dragon Gate banners from the inside of the ring and a memory I’ll never forget. “We made it from our backyard to Japan. Who would have thunk?” I thought to myself while out there.
RP: What are your ultimate goals in the business? When all is said and done, what will you have wanted to accomplish?
Matt: To be remembered as one of the greatest tag teams of all time. We are both work horses and pride ourselves for our work rate. We want to be the type of guys that people remember as always being like having a night off when they worked us: easy to work with, light, safe etc. We also pride our selves in being strong Christians with good morals. We’re not like typical guys our ages. I am a married man and am absolutely loyal to my wife. We both like to think of ourselves as guys you can count on in and out of the ring. Hopefully we’re remembered for all of these things.
RP: What is your favorite match you’ve ever wrestled?
Nick: There have been so many good ones. Any match with the Cutlers, we had a ton of fun teaming up with Marty Jannetty in 2007 in our hometown, the MCMG match and all of our matches in Japan.. particularly against Doi and Yoshino. DG in LA against Ryo Saito and Susumu Yokosuka along with the recent DGUSA match also make our “TOP” lists.
RP: What is your all-time favorite match (or matches) as wrestling fans?
Matt: Bret vs Owen WM10. Any time the Rockers wrestled. (Even against jobbers). Shawn vs Bret at WM12.
Nick: Hardys vs Edge and Christain No Mercy Ladder Match
Hogan vs Rock WM18
RP: How does it feel to have your younger brother, Malachi, working for some of the same promotions as the two of you?
Matt: We’re so proud of Mal. He’s really coming into his own this year. He is only 18 years old and has polished his game so drastically. He’s also a survivor of a bad car accident involving him being ran over while riding a bike when he was 12 years old, so he’s been through a lot. He has the scars to prove it. Nick and I expect BIG things from him!
RP: What milestones do you see yourselves reaching in 2010?
Matt: You guys will be able to watch us on television in 2010. That’s a guarantee. Somewhere, we’ll be on television.
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Ring Psychology 
August 6, 2009 at 3:02 am |
see, smart fans are too smart for the ring psychology – that’s when you gotta bring out the bumps
August 6, 2009 at 3:24 am |
Great interview
August 6, 2009 at 7:37 pm |
first im nowhere near a LA fan or born here. Im from boston, and also i have more than enough respect for indy guys to EVER throw garbage in the ring. Now if the LA fans have turned on you so what your getting a reaction and thats what its about. East coast people are abrasive. sorry to hurt your wittle feewings. If you cant take the heat get out of wrestling.
“For the last five years, Nick and I have been destroying our bodies at even the smallest of indy shows. We’ve finally learned to take it a little easier at those types of shows” so you mail it in when the crowd is small? Really givin the few people that paid to see you there moneys worth. classy.
August 6, 2009 at 7:57 pm |
Shastabeast, stop being a hater.
August 7, 2009 at 12:24 am |
I do share some of Mr. shastabeast’s sentiments.
Quite frankly I am surprised that the PWG audience had not turned on the Bucks sooner. While I have a tremendous amount of respect for their agility & athletic prowess, as well as their determination, they simply throw spot after spot after spot after spot into every match possible. To hear them discuss ring psychology is a bit of a shock, as I only see ring psychology employed by them to a significant degree when they compete in singles competition, but sadly they confess that they have no interests in singles competition. Recent chants of “same ol’ shit” in some ways seem warranted given the formulaic stylings of their matches. They’re nowhere near the level of A.J. Styles and his repetative match progression, however, but they do seem intent on cramming every one of their numerous signature manuevers into every match they work.
I think an issue of interest here is that the Bucks may view themselves as…well, as themselves when they get into the ring, and not as the characters, the commodities, the gimmicks that the fans perceive them as. I think that in going balls-to-the-wall all the time, they have finally reached their apex insofar as PWG crowds are concerned, and they are not incapable of surpassing the bar which they have raised so high. It’s shocking to me that – well – that they are shocked by recent receptions, and it is even more shocking to me that they would take it so personally. I wonder if they are even open to the notion of being booked as heels, or being told to wrestle a much more subdued style for the sake of a particular show’s angles or other featured matches. Consider a promoter not wanting their main event, which they have invested so much into, to be overshadowed by a Bucks match which was thrown together last minute. It seems these days that most indy workers, especially in Southern California where they have so many companies to work for with such frequency, are more interested in preserving their own image and gimmick, rather than working their match in a manner that best serves the promotion. A far cry from the East Coast where many workers may go weeks without a booking, and will gladly drive several hundred miles to get to a show when they finally do get booked.
Again I have no bias against the Bucks, but am simply surprised by their comments, and surprised that certain audiences did not turn on them sooner for their spot-fest stylings. This is not to say that I do not enjoy their matches; on the contrary, I do greatly, but not as much as other wrestlers who employ more than just spotty & flashy manuevers in their repetoire. I must convey all the best of luck and congratulations for their recent accomplishments, but at the same time hope for less vanity on their respective parts as far as reactions to how their fan-base perceives them. If certain crowds turn on them then I would greatly enjoy to see them go along with it, and take it as a challange. Working as heels would indeed force them to work in a manner much different than what they are used to, and that can only expand and improve their capabilities.
August 7, 2009 at 3:09 pm |
Wow you sound like a p*ssy E get off of the bucks back u fn loser
August 7, 2009 at 8:08 pm |
A very articulate criticism good sir. Thank you. However, I believe you’ve missed the point of my comments entirely.
August 7, 2009 at 9:44 pm |
Nice come back to joey, E. I also respect the bucks and there accomplishments, i was just as surprised as you by the way they took it all so seriously. youve basically said it all and i dont need to go into it any further. Your comment is well said. Im sure E was one of the guys at threemendous throwing garbage at hero because of the BOOKING. once again classy LA. classy. ROH fans will turn on them alot faster than PWG did thats for sure. And in CZW theyd prolly NEVER get over as faces. So, be ready bucks. MAN UP!! MAN UP!!
August 7, 2009 at 9:48 pm |
sorry E.. ment to say joey was one of the guys throwing stuff. my bad.
August 8, 2009 at 8:02 am |
All good. I missed the show myself, but probably wouldn’t have thrown any garbage…Chris is too nice of a guy for me to do that even if his change in wrestling styles over the past year or so (at least in PWG) hasn’t been of the same appeal to me as his earlier style.
But going off your comment I’m reminded that I did forget to mention the parallel to the Briscoes, and how many fans turned on them for, as some people saw it, only doing “moves.”
In the end it’s all subjective and based upon your level of exposure to particular wrestlers and companies and preferences in wrestling styles.
August 8, 2009 at 1:31 pm |
I like how the bucks admit to being yarders and never learning how to wrestle but instead teaching themselves to work only spots, and people call that legit? guys who went to a school and learned everything from professionals are legit, guys who train themselves how to do high spots in their backyard are yarders, sorry they may do great spots now and get over verry well but that just made me lose a ton of respect for them
August 9, 2009 at 1:58 am |
Ux wrote,
“I like how the bucks admit to being yarders and never learning how to wrestle but instead teaching themselves to work only spots.”
Where exactly in the context of this interview did Matt or Nick “admit” not learning how to wrestle and only teaching them selves to work only high spots? At age 16 (Matt’s age at the time) and 12 (Nicks age at the time), Matt stated that they taught them selves how to do flips. Does that statement reflect their overall training? No, it does not. He was going into detail about what initially triggered their interest in wrestling. Maybe try reading things twice next time?
Everyone else,
Also, by doing a little research, I’ve found out that Matt did indeed train at the Rudos Dojo school for nearly 2 years while Nick attended only a handful of sessions himself. They’ve also credited SoCal legends Jesse Hernandez, and Martin from World Power Wrestling for training and influence in their careers on an internet radio show. On their Wikipedia is states that Matt, Nick and their best friends the Cutler brothers actually ran their own wrestling school out of Victorville, CA for several years under the High Risk Wrestling and National Wrestling Alliance banner. Also, Matt and Nick did indeed meet Marty Jannetty for the first time in 2007 and have given him a lot of credit for teaching them tag team wrestling psychology. Marty was so impressed with the Young Bucks, apparently he gave them his ‘blessing’ to use the Rocker-like gimmick that the Bucks have become so popular from. Matt said in a radio interview, that Marty Jannetty actually arranged a meeting for the Young Bucks to meet and discuss tag team wrestling with Shawn Michaels backstage at a WWE event in California sometime last year. Now, with all of these facts about their training on the table, combined with wrestling for over 5 years, touring Japan numerous times and working with the best wrestlers in the world in the best independent companies in the world on a regular basis, I’d say that their training qualifications should not be in question.
Now onto more important matters. A lot of people on the internet are saying that they’re the best tag team in the world. I guess that’s up for debate? I’d say they’re right behind the Motor City Machine Guns.
Cheers.
August 8, 2009 at 4:09 pm |
The Bucks were trained at Rudos Dojo in Southern California by Ron Rivera and others. The reference to wrestling in their back yard was just their “defining moment” of when they realized they wanted to pursue wrestling as a career.
Apologies if that was unclear in the context of the interview.
August 8, 2009 at 5:41 pm |
Marty jannetty helped train these guys u dumb idiot! If your gonna lose respect for them “not ever training” than you must lose respect for guys like the hardys, PAC, el generico, Shane helms, bc these guys didn’t train at all and I think they all know how to WRESTLE
August 8, 2009 at 10:32 pm |
Joey I think you’ve been greatly misinformed as there are a number of factual errors in your statement.
For one, the Bucks didn’t have anything to do with Marty until 2 years ago. As for the others you mentioned…they all received proper training…and in the case of those such as the Hardys, who were backyarders initially, they went on to be properly trained.
Please try to understand that these comments here are not personal attacks on the Bucks or others, and whatever attachment you have to the subject matter is not a reason to perceive our comments as hostile, nor to be responded to with hostility.
August 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm |
i bet the bucks are republicans, take that into consideration. not sure why you care but it means something to me.