Hey all, I’m here on the recommendation of an IT professional I know, who pointed me this way when I asked him where I should start looking for information on on how to make a start in the IT world and whether or not it’s right for me. I’m (very) young, have had some college experience but didn’t finish a degree, and I have no professional IT experience. Currently my job experience is limited to life-guarding and retail, I’d REALLY like to change that. However, computer skills come naturally to me. Friends and family generally come talk to me when they need help or advice with their various devices, and most of the time I can solve their problem quickly and show them how to repeat the same success on their own.

I’ve heard a lot of back-and-forth around the topic of a professional degree versus certifications. This is my most pressing question probably. Is going to college for IT worth it, and if so, what programs, where, and for how long? If not, what certifications are good for getting your foot in the door and beginning to gain real experience?

Any advice that anyone can provide is greatly appreciated, thank you all in advance.

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If you work retail get a job at Best buy or something like this in computer section

2nd go back to college and finish degree in IT what ever your college offers.

While in college and Bestbuy you will meet more IT people to help you in your endeavors. Find your nitch dont try to master them all you cant be a jack of all trades in IT wont work.

Lastly Good luck

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I would recommend studying one thing at a time until you understand it and then keep expanding your knowledge.

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Welcome to Spiceworks Conner!

There is a debate between higher education verses getting certs but that mainly applies to those who are already in the work force and already in the field of IT and went to further their professional development. Because you are young and have not yet made a choice of a career path I would say go back to college. Certs can always be done after college. The only exception I would say is if you got a part time job while in college, i.e. Best Buy like MI32 mentioned and they wanted you to get a cert for your job then by all means go for it.

As for what area of IT to pursue well that really comes down to what area of IT interests you? If you enjoy working in the desktop environment then start there and work towards a desktop analyst position by focusing on general studies in IT or IS. Over your summers look for a job as an intern for a computer company or a companies computer department. You could also speak with your colleges IT department about work study, you would get work experience and some of your tuition knocked off.

As far as where to go well comes down to where you are at and where you would be willing to move to. In general a BS is kind of the basic you need these days for a degree to count for anything.

If you choose to go in to IT I hope you stay as part of the Spiceworks community, it is always nice to help people as they grow in their career.

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Hi Connor.

I won’t open up the qualifications vs experience debate here. However, I post based solely on my own experiences.

I too left university after a year as I knew it wasn’t for me. I ended up getting a junior role working on computers. Although the pay wasn’t great, every day was like an education because you are learning so much from more knowledgeable and experienced people. Through being prepared to work hard, learn and put many hours into improving, you’ll progress that way.

For me personally, I don’t feel that not finishing university and having a degree has caused me problems. In my case, by the time my friends had left university, I had 4 years of experience so that’s not a bad alternative! If you don’t fancy going back to uni/college, have a look at shorter IT courses instead. These may be a better option for you. However, let me say, I am in no way anti-qualifications. Get as many of them as you can.

What I will say is, whatever route you go down, work really hard and learn as much as you can in a range of different areas. Employers can accept a lack of experience…but not a lack of work rate or effort.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you well.

Welcome to Spiceworks, Connor!

It was only a few months ago I was in a similar position as you.

The way I see it, is it depends on what you want to be within the IT industry. I found that if you’re wanting to in a high up, management role or specialising in security at a high level, you’re probably better off with a degree.

I’ve just finished my degree and I don’t feel it’s come in significantly useful - yet. I read an article recently that said it takes about 20 years for a 4 year degree to pay for itself. Think of it as a long term investment, the job I’ve just got only required 5 GCSEs (high school qualifications), but a degree was desirable. It will show to employers you’re prepared to spend the time researching and expanding your own knowledge.

But if doing a degree really isn’t for you, don’t do it!

Look at the professional qualifications. I only have a CompTIA A+ as a professional qualification along with those I got from school. Have a look at FutureLearn and Udemy, take a short course at your own pace and add it to your LinkedIn profile.

If you don’t have a LinkedIn profile, make one. I was head hunted on there for a job, it seems to be a growing way for people to get jobs. I’m always appearing in searches from companies and being seen by others. Grow your network and the right person might find you.

With regards to picking which job role to go for, I say something like Service Desk Technician is a good start. You’ll mainly be answering the phones, logging tickets and making equipment orders, but you’ll be able to see how things work and you’ll be the first person someone talks to, so you could even solve the problems yourself. This way, you’re proving to not just yourself, but explorers that you can do the job.

Good luck with your journey and I hope you find what you want!

I started my IT Career August of last year. It was around this time I posted nearly the exact same kind of post.

Step 1: Get your A+. 3mths
With no work or skill experience folks will be hesitant to talk to you and most companies won’t take on the risk.
Recommended:

Www.udemy.com
www.gns3.com

Although all are extremely good most of my training has come from testout. And there is a good reason.

Step 2: Become a contractor.
Reach out to your local recruiting agencies and get all the help you can. Don’t know where you are but here some suggestions.
Insight Global
TEKsystems
Robert Half
CRG

Hint: Recruiters get paid to hire talent. Don’t waste time calling until you have the A+. They will tell you this.

Hint: Take all the experience you can. I had to make some sacrifices by calling in to my work to take on weekend contracts for equipment moves. These suck! But honestly they are the quickest way to put experience on your Resume. Not telling you to do this just giving you a heads up.

Lastly, you have to be very self motivated and be able to look at the big picture. There will be lots of no-s. Information Technology is a competitive field but, I was not about to take a no from anyone. The big picture is that you only need one yes. From what I gathered this stage weeds out lots of folks. So hang in there

Step 3: Promote yourself on LinkedIn.

It’s your digital resume so make it look good, because lots of folks ask for it not just recruiters. It’s kind of the official know who I’m dealing with meter
Also this is a great place to see people at every level from beginners to CEOs. Fact this is the most motivating part of my experience actually.

http://linkedin.com/in/david-carter-19144b15
Most of my profile is closed off unless you John for privacy reasons.

All in all Good Luck!

OH! One other thing. Give back to someone else once you get started. Someone else will benefit from your story. Thx

First, stop saying this. Say it to yourself, if you must. But never, ever say it out loud again.

Everyone who doesn’t know IT thinks they’re a natural. I’m in the process of hiring several IT Techs now and I’m going through hundreds of resumes and phone interviews. The vast majority of these applicants say something similar to what you’ve said.

I don’t have any experience, but I know all about computers because I help my friends and family.
You say in your resume that you’re experienced with “all” Microsoft operating systems. What versions of server have you used.
None. I mean desktop operating systems.
Which ones.
All of them. Windows 8 AND Windows 10.
You say here you have extensive networking experience What does that mean?
I’ve set up networks including wireless.
Can you be specific?
I set a password on my aunt Mable’s wifi and helped her connect her Kindle. And I plugged in a 5-port switch.
What was the last technical article you read, either printed or online?
I’ve never read a technical article in my life. I just play with stuff until it works.

No one knows IT naturally. It’s something you have to learn. Learning is investing in yourself. I wouldn’t hire a lifeguard or a retail clerk. Who would I hire? A lifeguard who could have a conversation like this:

Tell me about your experience.
I don’t have any corporate experience with it, but I have worked extensively with it in my home lab. I downloaded the 180 trial version and installed it on a PC. I set up Hyper-V and created several virtual machines. Working from the documentation and guides online, I created a domain and set up sites, users, and group policies. I set up DNS and worked with it to create forwarders. I also made the DC the NTP master for the domain. I implemented a backup plan to copy my VMs to an external drive and practiced restoring them to simulate a disaster drill. I worked these tasks with both the GUI and with PowerShell and made a notebook of procedures on what worked and what didn’t. Although I don’t have the hardware to support it, I’ve read extensively on server setup, and RAID types. I was able to buy some used Cisco switches and practice CLI switch management including vlans, routing, ACLs, and saves/restores. I’ve run Wireshark to study network traffic and look for problems such as failed DHCP.

Nearly everything I’ve mentioned is free. You supply a $250 PC (i7, 8GB, hard disk, NIC) and a switch ($50 on ebay). Everything else can be downloaded for free.

All you have to do is the work. And that’s where nearly all the applicants I talk to drop the ball. They don’t want to work. They don’t think they need to because they’re naturals. And when they can’t just guess their way through a fail-over or server setup, they get frustrated and give up.

Up to this point in your life, you’ve been spoon-fed, told where to go and when, and given clear assignments with well-known answers. Going to college for IT will just perpetuate that. I’m all for college, but it’s time to break out of that model and begin the work of taking responsibility for your own learning. That will lead to success.

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That lifeguard Robert described has a metric ton more experience in server and network management than I do, just from practicing at home in a sterile environment.

I would hire that kid over myself, and I’ve been in the field for over 20 years and have a graduate degree along with certs :slight_smile:

But because of that, and based on your background, I would encourage you to look at a general business major rather than anything technological. There are countless reasons already discussed here repeatedly.

You can earn credible technology training outside of the traditional college classroom that’s more relevant and flexible, and for a lot less time and financial investment than tuition.

But business theory and practice change much less rapidly than technology. And based on how some Spiceheads write, there’s almost a tragic shortage of even basic understanding of business operations :wink:

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MI32 has an excellent suggestion of trying to land a tech job via retail. It parlays your existing retail experience (customer service) and your interest in technology.

At my last job, the help desk coordinator we hired came directly from Geek Squad. He also had a lifelong passion for technology. He could speak credibly about hardware specs, gaming rigs, could defend his choices with passion, and had enough of a foundation of networks.

And one final note about college, and I’ll shut up :). In the tech field, degrees have their place but not everywhere. Unlike medicine, law, or some aspects of business like accounting or finance, degrees aren’t required to succeed in tech. I believe my degrees helped land me where I am today and gave me an advantage, but that’s also probably because of my industry (public education).

It’s been 18 years since I started in this line of work. I was in a situation similar to yours. A college drop out who “knew enough” to be hired on at an ITSP. I quickly found out I didn’t know as much as I thought I did. But I learned a ton of stuff from the techs above me. After 8 years I was hired on with another company as their Network Administrator. It’s not as exciting and varied as my old job but that’s not a bad thing to me at this stage of my life.

I still recommend this course of action to people today. Try to find an ITSP/MSP that will give you the experience you need.

Until then make it your goal to be able to honestly tell a potential employer everything that Robert mentioned. Grab a refurbished Poweredge for under $500 and get cracking! :slight_smile:

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You Dell guys slay me. You can buy a DL180 G6 with 13 3.5" drive bays, dual 750W power supplies, 2 x X5660 CPUs (12 core total), P410 RAID/512MB FBWC, and 48GB of ram for $250! (I just bought 6 of them for a storage project.) Why play around with “business class” when you can have “Enterprise Class!” [edit :D]

I was just trying to be helpful. :confused:

Do you have a link you can share to those DL180s? I can’t find a deal like that anywhere - though i admit I only did a few cursory searches.

In the spirit of sharing links in case the OP is interested - I have 8 of these in service:

Amazon.com - seems the price is over $500 with shipping. They were $450 last I looked.

If you have spare drives lying around you can get a barebones for a lot cheaper. This one is $200:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J66AFG2

Sorry, Jason. I typed it with a big smile on my face as in the “my team can beat your team” type of thing. :smiley:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-HP-DL180se-G6-12-Core-2-80GHz-X5660-P410-256MB-Rails-Wholesale/172729104599?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=471509575714&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I should clarify that these are the DL180se. The only problem I’ve had is logging into the ILO-100. I’ve tried the reset and upgrade procedures and I can’t get in. I’ll be working on it on our spare unit.

You can custom build them with RAM and drives (used HP, I believe). They also have a wide range of processors. I got the two X5660s because it mirrors the CPUs I have in some of my other servers. The price includes a rail kit and two power cables. I’ve bought a number of servers from these guys and never had a bad experience.

I just put two into service for our email server and cloud server project. I bought 3 extras for future projects at that price. I think I’ll fill one with all those odds and ends drives we have lying around from upgraded NAS projects.

Newegg has a discount on WD RED 6TB if you buy a 3-pack. I just got 15 of those. The price on the HGST 8TB was just a little higher, but I’m standardized on the 6s for now.

The 3.5" disk trays can be found for about $3.50 each. This listing is for lots of 10. I made a best offer and bought 40 for $140. Includes the screws.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-10-HP-Proliant-3-5-SATA-SAS-Hot-Swap-Hard-Drive-HDD-Trays-464507-001/142421791610?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Ah, nice to hear. Looking back I can see how you meant it to sound - that’s the downside to written communication. No worries though. :slight_smile:

They’ve probably been around a long time but I’ve never seen a system builder on ebay. Nifty.

The prices on refurbished servers are just amazing. Unless I’m building an application server that needs the latest tech for performance I don’t imagine I’ll ever get a brand new server again.

College vs Certs vs experience. You cant start in a place without experience and like wise, you cant get experience without certs etc.

Personally, I have no college\uni and no certs. I am no worse or better off than my colleagues who did go to uni etc. other than the fact I don’t have a huge university debt to pay off. So in my mind, depending on the area of IT you are looking to get in to, you may find that starting with a traineeship would be better than college and\or university.

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Hi Connor, extending you a warm welcome to the Community! You’re definitely in the right place :slight_smile: I see that your fellow SpiceHeads have already shared some incredibly helpful advice and they will certainly be able to help you along your career journey! As you think about how you want to enter the world of IT, be that going the certification route or school, hands on experiences will certainly help. There are many awesome resources out there but I did want to mention a few that we have at @Skillsoft in case we could be of any help to you along your career journey!

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Since you are just starting out I did want to mention our current Hack The System option in case it could be helpful! This program is meant to help you develop the technical skills to perform and the business skills to assist you along the way in your IT career path. Whatever new technical skills you are hoping to learn, our goal with this program is to provide you the tools that you need. Feel free to check out the 30-Day free trial of this here: Leadership Development Program - Skillsoft - Skillsoft

I linked to some of the info above but please feel free to reach out if you have any questions, I am always around the Community and happy to help! Wishing you the best of luck on your journey into the world of IT :slight_smile:

I would put a priority on finishing college. The barrier to entry in any IT job without a bachelor’s degree is pretty high. Not saying it can’t be done, but it’s much easier with a BA, and not necessarily even in computer science, but that would probably help as well.

The value of degrees beyond a bachelor’s is negligible in IT. After a BA degree, work on certs. Even a few entry level certs like A+ will help you get on somewhere, and that leads you to on the job experience that you can start building on.

Get with a decent small to medium sized company that will entrust you with increasingly responsibilities and a good mentor that is willing to train you and show you the ropes and you’re off to a very good start. If you happen to get on with a company that feels like a dead end, find something else ASAP and get out. In IT you always have to be learning and improving unless you’re satisfied working help desk for 30 years.

Once you’ve landed a job, be the most professional, helpful, and courteous co-worker in the place. People will remember that. It comes in handy when you need references. And always be learning more than you have to know to maintain your job.

After a few years like that, you’ll have the golden trifecta - college degree, certifications, and experience. From there, the sky’s the limit.

I would agree with that 100%. My degree is in business administration. Everything I’ve learned about IT has been outside of college. Earning a business degree taught me to think like a business person (i.e. your boss, your company owner, upper management) and has often led to me being the nexus between the IT department and the executive suite in many places I’ve worked. It has certainly positioned me to better know and appreciate the soft skills that employers value and look for.

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