Say goodbye to "spring forward" and "fall back!"

dimforest · 2022-03-15T18:13:58.000Z

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1503808994292506625

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/senate-unexpectedly-approves-legislation-to-move-to-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ar-AAV6ftA?ocid=uxbndlbing
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We’re on a way to NOT having to deal with this nonsense anymore! Heck yes!!!

dimforest · 2022-03-15T18:14:13.000Z

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1503808994292506625

Robert762 · 2022-03-15T18:22:06.000Z

Wish that were true in Canada!

zed · 2022-03-15T18:36:37.000Z

I googled it for like 15min already and I still don’t get it: Is “Permanent Daylight Savings Time” the same as “Standard Time”?

crltnfsk · 2022-03-15T18:41:58.000Z

Zed:

I googled it for like 15min already and I still don’t get it: Is “Permanent Daylight Savings Time” the same as “Standard Time”?

It’s the time you have now. The ‘spring forward’ time.

mountainbiker · 2022-03-15T18:43:27.000Z

That’s awesome.

titusovermyer · 2022-03-15T18:48:06.000Z

That is even great for us people who live in a state that does not have DST (Arizona for me). It was always a pain to have you phone change time when you didn’t. It was rough to have your alarm switch and mess you up. It gave me some trust issues with the time on my phone after getting burned a few times.

dimforest · 2022-03-15T18:50:23.000Z

Zed:

I googled it for like 15min already and I still don’t get it: Is “Permanent Daylight Savings Time” the same as “Standard Time”?

Yea I was kinda confused at first too with the wonky wording of “Daylight Savings is now permanent” but what they’re saying is the time we’re CURRENTLY on right now (after the “Spring forward” and before the “fall back”) will just become the standard time for the entire year.

kip130 · 2022-03-15T18:50:50.000Z

About time. See what I did. lol

HulkSmash · 2022-03-15T19:03:05.000Z

Can we move forward an hour today and call it a day? I am ready to be off.

merlinyoda · 2022-03-15T19:19:23.000Z

Zed:

I googled it for like 15min already and I still don’t get it: Is “Permanent Daylight Savings Time” the same as “Standard Time”?

Daylight Saving Time starts when we skip an hour (at 2 AM ahead to 3 AM) on the 2nd Sunday in March (which used to be the 1st Sunday in April not that all that long ago) and ends the first Sunday in November (used to be the last Sunday in October not that long ago) when we add that hour back (at 3 AM back to 2 AM) in order to “shift” the times during which we have daylight to be one hour later than they normally would be during the warmer months. Supposedly, DST is supposed to have all sorts of benefits by doing this but, nowadays, those questionable benefits probably don’t outweigh the costs (like non-lighting energy usage).

Standard time is the regular time without any hour-skipping shenanigans. This is actually the time scientists use year-round for astronomical observations (technically it’s the standard time for a specific timezone and offsets thereof but that’s kind of splitting hairs).

Permanent DST is the worst of the two possible options for no longer bothering with changing clocks. They already experimented with Permanent DST in the 70s for a year and it was basically a failure (people didn’t like it because kids were going to school in the dark for too long and it likely increased morning hour traffic accidents due to the decreased visibility as people went to work). We should just stop observing DST altogether and remain on standard time as to do otherwise is to artificially write off an entire hour from history.

merlinyoda · 2022-03-15T19:33:21.000Z

Gorfmaster1:

That is even great for us people who live in a state that does not have DST (Arizona for me). It was always a pain to have you phone change time when you didn’t. It was rough to have your alarm switch and mess you up. It gave me some trust issues with the time on my phone after getting burned a few times.

I wish now that most of Indiana had kept with Arizona and Hawaii in not observing DST (we started observing DST again in 2006). Growing up, I lived in one of the few counties that did observe DST and thought it was weird that most of Indiana didn’t but, later, I went to college in a county that didn’t observe DST and realized how much better it was not to have to mess with it and to not suffer the disruptions to ones natural circadian rhythm that tend to result immediately following those shifts.

ich-ni-san · 2022-03-15T19:33:52.000Z

A poll in 2019 found that 72% of people no longer wished to switch back and forth between the two times.

???

28% wished to continue!?!?! Who are these people?

It will be interesting to see if this passes the house. As, MerlinYoda mentioned, not everyone is agreed on which should be permanent, DST, or Standard Time. In fact, according to the article at Reuters, the current bill has an exception for Arizona and Hawaii. Those two states will remain on Standard Time.

dimforest · 2022-03-15T19:58:52.000Z

ich.ni.san:

A poll in 2019 found that 72% of people no longer wished to switch back and forth between the two times.

???

28% wished to continue!?!?! Who are these people?

It will be interesting to see if this passes the house. As, MerlinYoda mentioned, not everyone is agreed on which should be permanent, DST, or Standard Time. In fact, according to the article at Reuters, the current bill has an exception for Arizona and Hawaii. Those two states will remain on Standard Time.

You have to remember this is the USA… there is a solid chance 28% of the people polled had no idea wtf they were being polled about or they just couldn’t read.

merlinyoda · 2022-03-15T20:25:11.000Z

dimforest:

ich.ni.san:

A poll in 2019 found that 72% of people no longer wished to switch back and forth between the two times.

???

28% wished to continue!?!?! Who are these people?

It will be interesting to see if this passes the house. As, MerlinYoda mentioned, not everyone is agreed on which should be permanent, DST, or Standard Time. In fact, according to the article at Reuters, the current bill has an exception for Arizona and Hawaii. Those two states will remain on Standard Time.

You have to remember this is the USA… there is a solid chance 28% of the people polled had no idea wtf they were being polled about or they just couldn’t read.

That and the people that just answer with what they think are the most “disruptive” answers simply because they want to mess with the results in their own (very small) way.

Edit: Also, anyone that answered “don’t know” would be in that 28%

rother2385 · 2022-03-15T20:35:40.000Z

We shall see… Hope they pass it. A positive thing.

edt · 2022-03-15T21:00:00.000Z

MerlinYoda:

Zed:

I googled it for like 15min already and I still don’t get it: Is “Permanent Daylight Savings Time” the same as “Standard Time”?

Permanent DST is the worst of the two possible options for no longer bothering with changing clocks. They already experimented with Permanent DST in the 70s for a year and it was basically a failure (people didn’t like it because kids were going to school in the dark for too long and it likely increased morning hour traffic accidents due to the decreased visibility as people went to work). We should just stop observing DST altogether and remain on standard time as to do otherwise is to artificially write off an entire hour from history.

Oh for goodness sake. I concur that this is the worst option. It’s almost as bad as the nonsense in China where the entire country (which by any normal analysis should have several timezones) operates on the time zone of Beijing. This is about as stupid as the thinking that we can magically “make more daylight” by changing the clock.

Repairatrooper · 2022-03-15T23:14:51.000Z

Hopefully we Canadians will get a similar reprieve.

LittleITguy · 2022-03-16T02:20:44.000Z

I should really read the water cooler before posting, lol.

LittleITguy · 2022-03-16T02:22:15.000Z

ich.ni.san:

A poll in 2019 found that 72% of people no longer wished to switch back and forth between the two times.

???

28% wished to continue!?!?! Who are these people?

It will be interesting to see if this passes the house. As, MerlinYoda mentioned, not everyone is agreed on which should be permanent, DST, or Standard Time. In fact, according to the article at Reuters, the current bill has an exception for Arizona and Hawaii. Those two states will remain on Standard Time.

Farmers… the 28% were probably farmers.