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So I was offered a position at another company and put in my letter. My current company’s owner, and all the management told me they wanted me to stay. The owner told me he’s willing to give me a raise as well. As fate would have it another company with a killer shift wrote to ask if I’m interested in the position. I’m feeling pretty stressed and taking the night to think about stuff in between my Cisco class (can I get an 8th day please?). What do you guys think?

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If you already turned the notice in, I’d go. The more money is not going to motivate you for long to stay and management might have it out for you as they’ll always have it in the back of their mind.

Since you were already ready to go, nothing changed, but the money? Trust me, you’ll be looking again, maybe not in a month but maybe in 6 months to a year.

Since they were not willing to shell the money out before you turned in your 2 weeks they’ll feel forced.

I did the same thing, and less than a year later I was moving on again, to something that paid more than the raise they gave me, mainly though, not for the money, but that things got old and I did not feel like is was going anywhere career wise. It was the best move ever, if I had stayed I would not be anywhere close to where I am right now.

I’d jump she ship and be excited about the new opportunity.

EDIT: Spelling

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I was thinking that as well about the management. However, the owner is a good leader and someone I trust. The pros to staying are that I am already established and they know I am serious about things needing to change in order for me to stay. It’s a tough call by any estimation.

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Jobs change, but people don’t. What is stressing you?

If there are people problems in your job, they won’t change. I include in people problems attitude towards: deadlines, resourcing, project management, bau management.

If money is the problem then staying and taking the raise might be good if you can negotiate about whatever is stressing you. If money is not the problem, then get a new perspective at a new employer, work with the new problems you find until it’s time to move again.

I believe there is security in agility, and vulnerability in stagnation although some will disagree.

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Have you tried to make a list? Reasons why I want to leave (before they offered you the more money) and a list with reasons why you want to stay now?

IT is just like that good raises and personal / skill growth usually requires a job change.

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They might give you more $$ but things will most likely not change, and if they change very likely not for the better…

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IMO, thy should have seen the value you add before you had to look for another job. Now you have one, that realisation by them is too late.

If you do stay, don’t settle for matching the new pay. Get the offer plus another 10%. They know you are good. Theyvdint have to retrain you. They know your work standard. It’s not a risk for them. For that, they can pay a premium.

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There are always different ways to look at it…

  1. Max pay scale…for example a mgr level may get $3K- $5K…so if now with a raise to $4.5K, you are close to the max and you may not get anymore significant pay raises until you get promoted. So at the new place, you may be an asst mgr with a $4K pay, you would still have a chance to get promoted and thus higher chance of increments. But if at current place and your increment is to $3.5K, then at current place, you have the opportunities.

  2. Poker game showhand…some owners may treat your case like a poker show hand…you can get “huge” pay increase only once…

  3. Familiarity and opportunities…I have been working in the same company for almost 26 yrs (jumping different depts but still IT related). I do have colleagues who left and came back while others are trying to come back. There are many reasons as to why people stay or that the company have many “old timers” or long-time staff. If they treasure you, you will be asked to stay or they will try.

  4. New staff syndrome…when bad stuff happens, we tend not to give chances to new staff or when the business goes into crisis, new staff are normally the first to go…

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We’ve just had 1 of our engineers hand in their notice again under similar circumstances. Money was upped so he was going to stay then thought about it and decided he would actually go. HR agreed and have said typically anyone who stays just because of a raise will be gone within a year. The reasons you wanted to go will still be there you’ll just have more cash to leave with

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Money should be a factor in your decision making, not the bottom line. You started looking for a reason. Your gut is probably telling you to go, but your routine is telling you to stay with what is familiar.

If money and being bored (you wouldn’t have applied elsewhere for reasons other than boredom or money really) is not important to you, then stay. If you want to go off and experience new things and possibly make way more money, then go explore the new company!

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There have been many cases of people putting in their resignation letter and then changing their mind and staying. In most cases they either realise that the reason they wanted to leave still applies, and they move on anyway, or the company now sees them in a different light, and move them on anyway, once they have found a suitable replacement.

Very frequently the company offer a pay rise, just to get you to stay whilst they find a replacement, and then get rid of you.

You had decided to leave for a reason. I would go if I were you.

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I was in exactly the same position. I wasn’t actively looking but was approached by my previous manager(old times) and he was building his own team in a new place. I got the job with a 9k pay rise(that’s in £££). Plus the travel time and costs halved(1.5k a year savings). It was killing me that I had to leave the old team as I knew there were projects in the pipeline and we were already understaffed. But I did go ahead and even though my boss wanted me to stay the higher management didn’t really bothered trying to keep me.

Funny thing I’ve been with the new company for 3 months and already getting a payrise - HR revised the market and decided to raise it. Funnily it’s as much as I got in the old one after 2 years of working.

Now I’m a happy boy and within a month my replacement had to call me because something happened to the virtual env. and he had no idea what is happening. This brought down a lot of apps and systems down. I hope that management realised what I was actually doing there and that I was actually a valuable member for the team. It is too late though anyway. Additionally the other sysadmin has left 3 weeks after me - kept it quiet- that’s 3 sys admins in 5 months - that should give them something to think about.

Back to the point - I was really stressing out how to talk to my boss at the time. He was trying to get me some payrise but even that was 5k short of the new position. I was still considering staying as the team was really grate but got the other guy telling me he would go(he must have known he will be leaving as well already) and the lack of interest from the upper management just pushed that button and I have left - NO REGRETS WHAT SO EVER.

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Don’t think of the company as your boss. Think of it as an entity itself. The “company” doesn’t really want you to stay. It simply wants to avoid the disruption of having you leave and the cost/disruption of having to find your replacement. It’s the same reason the company doesn’t want to change offices or phone numbers or email addresses. The company is thinking about its own best interest, not yours.

There is a reason you were willing to leave. That reason hasn’t changed. Go and don’t look back.

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So, how much did you charge them to consult and sort that little mess out?

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If you already decided to go, then go. A little more money isn’t going to make you forget the reasons you were looking for a new job in the first place.

Are you saying you have a third offer too? If so, forget about the old job and objectively compare the whole picture from both of the new offers.

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If you have to ask, always go.

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Let’s just call it a “birthday present” for my old boss. All that deep SH…T their in now is not his fault just managements ignorance.

For me it was only 30 min on the phone with the new guy anyway.

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You wrote this in your other thread:

“I’ve been working at an MSP for the last year and a half. Unfortunately the company isn’t doing well, and it’s time to jump ship.”

So why are you contemplating staying on a sinking ship?

EDIT: Now that I look at the time stamps of your two threads, you sound like you’re having second thoughts and guilt. Go back over your first thread and remember why you were leaving in the first place, which I highlighted above. Regardless of the begging that your superiors throw on, that doesn’t change the fact that the company is doomed, does it?

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Promotion (manager/supervisor role and title change) and more money, I would consider staying. If it’s just more money, same title, same job task… no need to stay.

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If you go, there will be trouble and if you stay it will be double…

Sorry, couldnt help myself

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